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		<title>Comment on Background Radiation in IPv6 by Geoff Huston</title>
		<link>http://www.ipjforum.org/?p=349&#038;cpage=1#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Huston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did you see in the leakage from the private networks? Were there viruses or probes?</description>
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		<title>Comment on IDNs by gih900</title>
		<link>http://www.ipjforum.org/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>gih900</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall various incarnations of both debates - namely the LDH convention and just how 8-bit clean is the DNS. I suppose it all depends on just how conservative you regard &quot;prudent use of the DNS&quot; A truly conservative view would regard RFC1123 as an attempt to place a liberal wedge in the door of DNS!



But it also must be remembered that long before the DNS there was the hosts file and the convention in many operating systems for their hosts file uppercase only, must start wth a letter and NO hyphens (i.e. a lowest common denominator of monocase ascii) (and if the network environment was DECNET, then you only had 6 characters to play with - which in a very very large DECNET network became somewhat of a creative challenge!) I suspect that the LDH convention was the codification of compatibility with common use conventions of the hosts files, but I cannot cite a reference to this.



At the outset I&#039;m not sure that the DNS was assumed to be 8-bit clean.   I suspect that the original requirement was to support &quot;ascii&quot;, and the  disposition of the 8th bit was unspecified.



One of (the many) IDN debates was whether it was possible to retrospectively declare the DNS 8 bit clean and stuff Unicode into the DNS payload or whether it was &#039;safer&quot; to continue with the LDH implicit 7 bit minimal common assumption and encode Unicode into this restricted character set.



As I recall there were a number of instances of DNS software that were not 8 bit clean (and years later I&#039;ve completely forgotten which they were!).



But my suspicion was that the challenge of a suitable ascii encoding was such a neat challenge to the computer scientist in us all (!) that we accepted the challenge of devising an efficient ascii encoding without really looking at the level of resistance to 8 bit clean DNS enforcement.  (All too often we make decisions about technology based on &#039;legacy&#039; when in fact either the legacy environment is non-existant, insignificant or at end of life already!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall various incarnations of both debates &#8211; namely the LDH convention and just how 8-bit clean is the DNS. I suppose it all depends on just how conservative you regard &#8220;prudent use of the DNS&#8221; A truly conservative view would regard RFC1123 as an attempt to place a liberal wedge in the door of DNS!</p>
<p>But it also must be remembered that long before the DNS there was the hosts file and the convention in many operating systems for their hosts file uppercase only, must start wth a letter and NO hyphens (i.e. a lowest common denominator of monocase ascii) (and if the network environment was DECNET, then you only had 6 characters to play with &#8211; which in a very very large DECNET network became somewhat of a creative challenge!) I suspect that the LDH convention was the codification of compatibility with common use conventions of the hosts files, but I cannot cite a reference to this.</p>
<p>At the outset I&#8217;m not sure that the DNS was assumed to be 8-bit clean.   I suspect that the original requirement was to support &#8220;ascii&#8221;, and the  disposition of the 8th bit was unspecified.</p>
<p>One of (the many) IDN debates was whether it was possible to retrospectively declare the DNS 8 bit clean and stuff Unicode into the DNS payload or whether it was &#8216;safer&#8221; to continue with the LDH implicit 7 bit minimal common assumption and encode Unicode into this restricted character set.</p>
<p>As I recall there were a number of instances of DNS software that were not 8 bit clean (and years later I&#8217;ve completely forgotten which they were!).</p>
<p>But my suspicion was that the challenge of a suitable ascii encoding was such a neat challenge to the computer scientist in us all (!) that we accepted the challenge of devising an efficient ascii encoding without really looking at the level of resistance to 8 bit clean DNS enforcement.  (All too often we make decisions about technology based on &#8216;legacy&#8217; when in fact either the legacy environment is non-existant, insignificant or at end of life already!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on IDNs by af</title>
		<link>http://www.ipjforum.org/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>af</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realise from the article that the DNS itself was specified to be 8-bit clean. I&#039;m not sure if neglecting to mention this explicitly was a deliberate omission, but I can imagine this fact played a role in the significant debate in the IDN Working group that Geoff mentions regarding the character repertoire of the DNS.</description>
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		<title>Comment on IDNs by af</title>
		<link>http://www.ipjforum.org/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>af</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LDH restriction referred to in the article was relaxed in RFC1123 to allow

a host name to begin with either a letter or a digit. (to legalise 3com&#039;s

usage of the DNS)



BTW, I have been looking for the first documentation and hopefully rationale

for the LDH restriction. All I can tell from the RFC literature is the

restriction was either a codification of existing practice and stems from

the standard host names suggested by Jon Postel in RFC 229 in response to

RFC226 from Peggy Karpin, or the restriction arises elsewhere.</description>
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<p>a host name to begin with either a letter or a digit. (to legalise 3com&#8217;s</p>
<p>usage of the DNS)</p>
<p>BTW, I have been looking for the first documentation and hopefully rationale</p>
<p>for the LDH restriction. All I can tell from the RFC literature is the</p>
<p>restriction was either a codification of existing practice and stems from</p>
<p>the standard host names suggested by Jon Postel in RFC 229 in response to</p>
<p>RFC226 from Peggy Karpin, or the restriction arises elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NETBOIS Performance by af</title>
		<link>http://www.ipjforum.org/?p=19&#038;cpage=1#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>af</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming you are comparing this to something like FTP in the same situation, if you are using NetBios over a reliable protocol such a TCP/IP, I would guess the speed is largely due to the quality of the implementation. If using a NetBios LAN transport protocol such as NetBEUI bridged over a WAN than your problem is that the protocol doe not adapt well to the different character of a WAN which is slower and has variable delay and packet loss compared to a LAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming you are comparing this to something like FTP in the same situation, if you are using NetBios over a reliable protocol such a TCP/IP, I would guess the speed is largely due to the quality of the implementation. If using a NetBios LAN transport protocol such as NetBEUI bridged over a WAN than your problem is that the protocol doe not adapt well to the different character of a WAN which is slower and has variable delay and packet loss compared to a LAN.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HTTP or FTP? by af</title>
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		<dc:creator>af</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both protocols use a TCP/IP connection to do the the transfer. If a large enough TCP/IP window is negotiated, assuming no performance problems with the client or server,  you are using, neither protocol using a proxy, no content transfer encoding used by HTTP, than performance will be roughly the same.  That&#039;s a lot of ifs so you need to test in whatever environment you are using.. All those things being equal, the HTTP implementation will noticeably outperform FTP if you are transferring multiple small files either with HTTP/1.1 or a form based upload from a browser (regardless of  HTTP version.)  The problem is that FTP needs to open a new TCP connection for each file transfer whereas HTTP/1.1 or a file upload from a browser needn&#039;t. It takes time for a connection to open and ramp up to full speed.. It is possible to operate FTP in a way so that is doesn&#039;t open a new connection for every file but not every, perhaps most, client or server support transmission modes other than stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both protocols use a TCP/IP connection to do the the transfer. If a large enough TCP/IP window is negotiated, assuming no performance problems with the client or server,  you are using, neither protocol using a proxy, no content transfer encoding used by HTTP, than performance will be roughly the same.  That&#8217;s a lot of ifs so you need to test in whatever environment you are using.. All those things being equal, the HTTP implementation will noticeably outperform FTP if you are transferring multiple small files either with HTTP/1.1 or a form based upload from a browser (regardless of  HTTP version.)  The problem is that FTP needs to open a new TCP connection for each file transfer whereas HTTP/1.1 or a file upload from a browser needn&#8217;t. It takes time for a connection to open and ramp up to full speed.. It is possible to operate FTP in a way so that is doesn&#8217;t open a new connection for every file but not every, perhaps most, client or server support transmission modes other than stream.</p>
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